Using Spmm2001 to input data for SMMV4

[velupillai]

Need feedback on problems faced by teachers when entering data for SMM as BMM is now incorporated in SMMV4 .
Please note that SMMV4 does NOT store records of "Ibu dan Bapa" if the student stays with "Penjaga" as
there is only one tab for "Bapa/Penjaga" and one tab for "IBU/Penjaga" .
Spmm2001 forces the teachers to enter "IBU dan Bapa" information and also information
on "penjaga" . Will this be a problem ?
In V2 of spmm2001 , only Cocuriculum data entered through spmm2001 will be transfered.

[senghong79]

Hi, thanks for the good work in v2.

As for the problem above, most of my school teachers just skipped maklumat penjaga altogether for the purpose of sending that day.

I think whatever we do, all the related info should be moved to one tab.

-Tinggal dengan penjaga
-Sebab tidak tinggal dengan bapa
-Status jagaan
-Hubungan
-Anak yatim
-Status ibubapa (masih hidup/meninggal/etc)

Otherwise we end up with all sorts of funny data.

I think for completeness sake, and to have a better understanding of students background, having ibu/bapa and penjaga is is good for us to refer in SPMM, but then the problem would be which one to display/export/etc.

There is the matter of which pendapatan will be exported, as there are cases of students not staying with parents but are supported by them. And cases of staying with parents but actually supported by sisters, uncles, etc.

The matter of staying with who is important for the school to know who to contact.
The matter of who is supporting is important for scholarship applications.

Perhaps we can seperate both matters? Though it will involve teachers having to enter the data intelligently, and add some more complexity to the processing in spmm.

[velupillai]

I have still NOT completed the V2 for SMMV4 . This penjaga problem has been a problem from the start as KPM does not
bother to let us know what they actually want. I will look into what you have said about having the information in
one tab. But the SMMV4 requires all the fields separately.
Spmm2001 will only transfer the Penjaga information into Bapa dan IBu in SMMV4 ifthe teacher states the student stays with penjaga.
As I said the SMMV4 does not have separate fields for penjaga and ibubapa. The pendapatan is a dilemma as SMMV4 does not
differentiate IBU bapa and Penjaga's pendapatan if student stays with penjaga.
I may put a tick box so that teacher can specifiy which information should be transfered if student TDP.
This way the pendapatan should be correct as the SMM does not bother who actually the student stays with.
Am getting ready the borang semakan for SMMV4.

[senghong79]

I have still NOT completed the V2 for SMMV4 . This penjaga problem has been a problem from the start as KPM does not
bother to let us know what they actually want. I will look into what you have said about having the information in
one tab. But the SMMV4 requires all the fields separately.

Thanks. It's for the teachers to see clearer rather than any database consideration. It will be easier for me to explain to them also.

I may put a tick box so that teacher can specifiy which information should be transfered if student TDP.
This way the pendapatan should be correct as the SMM does not bother who actually the student stays with.

I think that is the best way. The only information I have seen KPM use from SMM is actually the pendapatan to shortlist for scholarships, for better or worse. Thus, it is important for the teachers to get it right, even if it will be more work for all.

Bilanggan Tanggungan
Another thing which could be important is the bilangan tanggungan but the students/teachers always get this wrong also. That day before I sent the data, I have to do a query of the number of tanggungan entered and then manually add the parents and the students and then reenter this data. Short of automatically generating this number, perhaps we could move that particular field to the tanggungan tab so that the teachers can see for themselves whether it tallies or not. Or leave it on the ibubapa tab, but do a lookup of how many tanggunggan already entered in the tanggungan tab.

[senghong79]

This should be less urgent problem, but I have to admit that I sent almost empty datas on this one, as there wasn't time.

Actually, the problem was our students can't be depended on to give us accurate data at all. I am thinking to make the guru biasiswa / guru spbt do it, as only her have complete data for the common biasiswa (uncommon types have to depend on students - but that won't be that important anyway). Rather than keying in each biasiswa for each students, it should be a "tick" type so that it's faster for them. So its' like
-> choose biasiswa type -> choose tingkatan -> tick on the name list

At least then, the current years data will be valid.